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Looking for longer routes on San Jacinto

Postby RevanTheDestroyer » Mon Oct 07, 2019 6:23 pm

Seems I have been spending most my time on San Jacinto lately climbing in taquitzh.
With that being said, I’m looking to get back into exploring the rest of the mountain.
Leatherneck ridge is my favorite way up so far, but I’ve done C2C as well which wasn’t as fun for me (views weren’t as nice ).
I love the long grinds and long days/overnights. Especially those with no man made trails leading up.
Can anybody give me some beta on alternate routes up the mountain?
I’ve done some map reconnaissance and have some future possible routes.
Has anybody done anything along those lines??
Much appreciated!
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Re: Looking for longer routes on San Jacinto

Postby guest » Tue Oct 08, 2019 1:55 pm

Hi Revan,
Leatherneck is a great challenge, (been many years for me).
Another possibility, is what I believe used to be called the Gordon trail, (it was almost completely gone when I did it 20 yrs ago). It leaves above the private community of Club Andreas , (you'll need to avoid their land, so topo would be important),, which is just before entering Indian Cyns. Most likely an old route for natives to access the mtns for acorns & other food & animals.

Since the Mt. fire, there may be less brush, but anything on the north sides will be very tough, especially in the manzanita, (we we're able to work our way through pretty well). We topped out just south of Carumba, (since we knew we couldn't get across that huge drainage coming out of that area. A real grind, then you still have to go up another 2k to the tram.

Since you'd spend more time attempting to locate a very old trail, (if anything is left), would be better to survey the area, see where heavy brush & drainage's are, etc.
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Re: Looking for longer routes on San Jacinto

Postby Ellen » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:09 am

Howdy Revan :)

Have you been up the Snow Creek PCT to the peak? I like the views (very different from Skyline). The Fuller Ridge section is one of the prettiest trails on San Jacinto although I know you prefer XC.

Miles of smiles,
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Re: Looking for longer routes on San Jacinto

Postby Ellen » Wed Oct 09, 2019 11:10 am

Double post, sorry
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Re: Looking for longer routes on San Jacinto

Postby Wildhorse » Wed Oct 09, 2019 2:53 pm

Like you, I enjoy most the ways that are not trails or even routes, except for the wilder animals. I choose possible ways, just as you have considered, and change course as I go. The San Jacintos are largely accessible this way because they are mostly not too steep.

I rarely go to San Jacinto itself. Too many people there. My favorite trip to San Jacinto is by snowshoe after a snow storm has obliterated all trails, routes and tracks. It is best when dark and dreary and visibility is low. The summit is quiet on those days, even if other hikers are making their own way through the fog.
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Re: Looking for longer routes on San Jacinto

Postby bretpct » Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:52 pm

guest wrote:Hi Revan,
Leatherneck is a great challenge, (been many years for me).
Another possibility, is what I believe used to be called the Gordon trail, (it was almost completely gone when I did it 20 yrs ago). It leaves above the private community of Club Andreas , (you'll need to avoid their land, so topo would be important),, which is just before entering Indian Cyns. Most likely an old route for natives to access the mtns for acorns & other food & animals.

Since the Mt. fire, there may be less brush, but anything on the north sides will be very tough, especially in the manzanita, (we we're able to work our way through pretty well). We topped out just south of Carumba, (since we knew we couldn't get across that huge drainage coming out of that area. A real grind, then you still have to go up another 2k to the tram.

Since you'd spend more time attempting to locate a very old trail, (if anything is left), would be better to survey the area, see where heavy brush & drainage's are, etc.
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Wow, this post sent me on a deep dive into the Gordon trail, including reading the Gordon Trail Redux thread, and several chapters of Our Araby which was cited in that thread.

How legal is it to try to hike this? You say bring a topo map to avoid their land, but based on my research that would be pretty impossible. Their holdings overlap much of Andreas Canyon, so is there is some sort of easement or agreement that allows access to visitors via the toll road? *see edit

Based on this Agua Caliente master plan document, the Andreas Canyon club holds 2200+ acres of land in that area.

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Here's a map from that document showing the land boundaries. The top of the map is cut off where you can see there you see there is more land to be accounted for. The land pictured equals just under 2000 acres.

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And finally, here it is plotted on CalTopo.

EDIT: I see looking over the map again that at no point do you cross Andreas Canyon Club land when accessing the canyon via the Indian Canyons toll road (which I thought you did for some reason). I haven't been there in years, but I wonder if there are "no trespassing" signs if you wander farther down the canyon.
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Re: Looking for longer routes on San Jacinto

Postby guest » Thu Oct 10, 2019 9:14 am

Hi Bretpct,
Wow, thanks for all this research, makes me want to consider that route again, someday.
When I did it, we we're fortunate to know someone in Andreas Club, and started just above their property.
I'd assume starting just NW of their property would make the most sense. We're actually found a really old forest or state reserve mental circle in a rock, (like the corner makers & summit ones), around 3k ft., if I remember right.
We actually stashed some loppers in the bushes, (in case the brush got too thick, (& we might want to hike it again, never used them, probably still there!).

Andreas Club eastern boundary begins where the Andreas Cyn loop crosses the stream & heads the 3/4 mile back to parking lot. Wouldn't make any sense to start there, (plus it would be trespassing), but maybe on the south west side of Oswit Cyn, (the big canyon against the San Jacintos just before Acanto Rd & Andreas Club's private, paved Rd.
Would love to read any info on the old Gordon trail you might find, only a few on here, (Florian, Halhiker & a few others), may have ever heard of it. The Desert Riders, who've been riding these trails here for close to a hundred years, (one of our former mayors, Frank Bogert, was an avid rider, heck, even Lucie & Desi had a small stable close to the now hospital) & alone with the Cahuilla's, knew of these old ones.

We've lost, or our losing some of these old routes up the mountain, including the Live Oak Cyn, upper parts of Jo Pond, trails going to Bullseye Rock & beyond, (where the Wellman's ran cattle & had small cabins dotted around). Even the small trail that leaves Maynard Mine & drops down to Murray Cyn, where Jim Maynard had his homestead, are all but washed-out & over-grown. I'm guilty for not hiking these much either.

Happy trails, scott
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